[CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag

Rob Kampen rkampen at kampensonline.com
Mon Jun 29 19:48:22 UTC 2009

Dag Wieers wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote:
>>> A quick look at http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=centos
>>> shows that a great majority of the packages are not even
>>> close to being "up-to-date", and that is a good thing for
>>> those us of who care more about stability than eyecandy.
>> That can't be other way. For instance, you can't build GIMP 2.4 or 2.6
>> unless you you upgrade to a newer GTK+, which would impact on a lot of
>> apps.
>> OTOH, Dag is in a funny position: he's the main maintainer of RPMforge,
>> which has 2 main issues:
>> (1) It's broken, at least partially. Try install audacious for one.
>> (2) It's incompatible with EPEL. Try install MPlayer and VLC with EPEL
>> enabled.
>   (1) I expect now patches from you to make a workable audacious based on
>       our audacious package. Apparently you have the interest and the time
>       to do it ?
>   (2) No, they are not compatible, we know. Share to help with this too ?
>       You first have to convince the Fedora people that they will not
>       introduce new incompatibilities before starting. I'd right merge, but
>       also that is not happening as there is no interest. So what is the
>       solution ? Shall I simply stop doing RPMforge ?
> Is that the position you prefer to force me into ? Because I certainly did 
> not force you into using the repository.
> I don't know even why you want to use RPMforge, there must be something 
> that is missing from EPEL ?
> I am happy to learn what you want to do though, because it is easy to 
> criticize, but it takes time to do some work.
> (And I hope the solution is not another repository, because we have been 
> there :-))
Et Al
Let me try to put into words my appreciation for ALL those that 
contribute to Linux and in particular CentOS and supporting repos.
I am a long time linux user, only mildly computer literate and a small 
business owner / operator now living and working in the USA (once London 
and New Zealand).
The considerable work to rebuild the Red Hat originated SRPMs and then 
the various other RPMs that make this a truly useful desktop / 
workstation / laptop distro is acknowledged and appreciated.
I have had an initial look at trying to  offer some help in the build 
process but so far am too lost to be of much help.
I try to contribute where possible, particularly on the CentOS forum and 
mailing list.
Now to the apparent issues with RPMforge / EPEL. At this time I use 
both, but due to the time I started with these RPMforge is priority=22 
with EPEL behind that at priority=34 and normally enabled=0
If I was starting again this may change - ??
Due to the complexity of the RPM build process, differing priorities, 
methods of working and perspective I am sure there will always be 
I for one would please ask that you please work together as much as you 
can, don't take the words used and expressed via email and forums too 
literally. Most of us do not have the skills to express what we really 
mean and sometimes our communication may come across as criticism but 
this is certainly not our intent as we REALLY DO APPRECIATE all that you 
each do to make our favorite linux work so well.
Many thanks for your continued support and resources.

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