same here. i really must thank dag wiers and gang for all the good work. But If epel and rpmforge can work together , that's great. ----- Original Message ---- > From: Ron Loftin <reloftin at twcny.rr.com> > To: CentOS mailing list <centos at centos.org> > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:13:33 AM > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Dag's comment at linuxtag > > > While I don't want to just add noise to this thread, I think that there > might be some miscommunication and/or misunderstanding involved here. I > also want to express my appreciation to Dag and the folks who maintain > the RPMforge repo, as I find it quite useful. > > On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 20:34 +0200, Dag Wieers wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: > > > > > > > >> A quick look at http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=centos > > >> shows that a great majority of the packages are not even > > >> close to being "up-to-date", and that is a good thing for > > >> those us of who care more about stability than eyecandy. > > > > > > That can't be other way. For instance, you can't build GIMP 2.4 or 2.6 > > > unless you you upgrade to a newer GTK+, which would impact on a lot of > > > apps. > > > > > The impression I get from the above exchange is that someone either has > not read the CentOS mission statement, or does not understand it in the > context of "enterprise" and "stable" distribution. This leads to > dissatisfaction with their installations, since one of the costs of > long-term stability is loss of the capability to upgrade package > versions in a piecemeal manner. > > > > OTOH, Dag is in a funny position: he's the main maintainer of RPMforge, > > > which has 2 main issues: > > > (1) It's broken, at least partially. Try install audacious for one. > > > (2) It's incompatible with EPEL. Try install MPlayer and VLC with EPEL > > > enabled. > > These observations, while technically correct, show a lack of > familiarity with the long-running differences of opinion between the > RPMforge folks and the EPEL crew. Again, in the technical/factual > universe, I support Dag's response below, but in the political/emotional > world, I hope that this is not indicating a bump up against the limits > of his patience with these conflicting viewpoints. > > > > > (1) I expect now patches from you to make a workable audacious based on > > our audacious package. Apparently you have the interest and the time > > to do it ? > > > > (2) No, they are not compatible, we know. Share to help with this too ? > > You first have to convince the Fedora people that they will not > > introduce new incompatibilities before starting. I'd right merge, but > > also that is not happening as there is no interest. So what is the > > solution ? Shall I simply stop doing RPMforge ? > > Here I will speak for myself, while hoping that there are others who > will agree: > > HELL NO !!! > > I'm not enough of a programmer to even THINK of replacing the talent you > bring to the table, and I suspect that there are relatively few people > who DO posses those skills who would also have the dedication you do. I > will say it if nobody else will: The distros supported by RPMforge > would be poorer without your efforts. > > > > > Is that the position you prefer to force me into ? Because I certainly did > > not force you into using the repository. > > On the lighter side: If you HAD forced anyone to use the repository, I > suspect that you would have forced them to read the relevant docs > ( HOWTOs, etc. ) FIRST. ;> > > > > > I don't know even why you want to use RPMforge, there must be something > > that is missing from EPEL ? > > > > I am happy to learn what you want to do though, because it is easy to > > criticize, but it takes time to do some work. > > > > (And I hope the solution is not another repository, because we have been > > there :-)) > > > -- > Ron Loftin reloftin at twcny.rr.com > > "God, root, what is difference ?" Piter from UserFriendly > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos