At Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:44:46 -0500 CentOS mailing list <centos at centos.org> wrote: > > > Robert Heller wrote: > > At Sat, 07 Mar 2009 11:59:02 -0600 CentOS mailing list <centos at centos.org> wrote: > > > > > >> R P Herrold wrote: > >> > >>> Here is the fallout: The poor end user 'knows' it was CentOS, > >>> because she was told by the respinner that it is 'CentOS with > >>> just one package replaced'. Who gets the black eye here? > >>> Who bears the support load of sorting out what happened when > >>> the poor hurt user shows up in what she thinks is the correct > >>> support venue, barely able to describe her VOIP turnkey box's > >>> operation? > >>> > >>> The answer is, of course, the main mother-ship CentOS project > >>> folks. > >>> > >>> And it is not right that people do this to us, but it is also > >>> hard to stop. Probably the only real solution is to enforce > >>> the CentOS trademark on the art and brand packages, and > >>> prohibit respins containing such (just as the upstream does). > >>> > >>> Sad, but true. > >>> > >>> There is a reason the core CentOS group are skittish about > >>> respins. We'll have to discuss this seriously. > >>> > >> I can see your point about the brand value you have embedded into the > >> packages, but it also seems wrong to make everyone who wants to improve > >> it or adapt to some additional purpose repeat all the rebranding work > >> from scratch. > >> > > > > Or deal with a 'show stopping bug', like the known problem with > > mkinitrd. I have no interest in rebranding anything or even > > redistributing my 'replacement' CD (I'll probably toss the replacement > > CD once I get the install done). I just want to install CentOS on a > > system with pre-existing software RAID disks -- I am migrating a server > > from Ubuntu to CentOS 5 and I don't want to lose prexisting data, so > > simply wiping the disks and installing on bare partitions is not an > > option (and even then I'd want to use LVM for some things, and even > > without RAID, LVM will also send mkinitrd off into never, never land -- > > basically anything the fires up /dev/mapper/... will do it: RAID, LVM, > > cryptfs, all seem to do this). > > > > > >> How hard would it be to generate an 'unbranded' drop in replacement > >> package for everything specifically Centos - or a framework so others > >> could share the work? That way everyone who needed to replace a driver > >> wouldn't have to repeat all this work unless they wanted to create their > >> own unique brand identity. > >> > >> If you think respins containing Centos branding are wrong, make it easy > >> to to the right thing. > >> > >> > > > > > tried nodmraid on the kernel boot line? The problem is that I need to actually install on the raid arrays, so this isn't an option either. > > > begin:vcard > fn:Rob Kampen > n:Kampen;Rob > email;internet:rkampen at kampensonline.com > x-mozilla-html:TRUE > version:2.1 > end:vcard > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Deepwoods Software -- Download the Model Railroad System http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Binaries for Linux and MS-Windows heller at deepsoft.com -- http://www.deepsoft.com/ModelRailroadSystem/