On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 01:42:48AM +0200, Rainer Duffner wrote: > > Am 31.03.2009 um 01:12 schrieb Ross Walker: > > > > > I would love something like Nexenta, but with a CentOS userland. > > > > > What exactly are you missing from Solaris userland that does exist in > Linux, BTW? > Maybe except for all the horrible cat some_arcane_value > /proc/foo > or /sys/baz to coax the kernel into doing something. > But I'm not missing that. > > And I'm not missing Nexenta. Last time I looked, the "free" version > did almost nothing compared to the commercial version. > Which is no surprise, really, and brings us back to square one.... > > > > Imagine an unencumbered kernel with the stability of CentOS userland > > tools. > > > > You get ZFS/ARC, dtrace, smf, fma, plus the Solaris IP stack which is > > quite robust, with all the command line tools you are use to. > > > > Think SELinux could be ported to the Solaris kernel? > > > Hm. Seems like this is happening, more or less: > http://www.press.redhat.com/2008/04/09/red-hat-welcomes-opensolaris-and-ubuntu-to-the-world-of-type-enforcement/ > > I'm sometimes amused how people want "this" with "that", though. > > Don't you people sometimes think that Linux is the way it is exactly > because of too many people thinking that way and actually getting what > they wanted? > Linux is everything and the kitchen sink (in terms of features), but > few are completely implemented or actually wrapped into an API/ > userland tools. Everything is constantly in flux, most stuff get's > thrown over every other year (except for the places that would really > need it, seemingly) and hardly anybody documents (try to find a man- > page for a hw-driver...) > Now, they're chasing ZFS with this butter-fs crap. Hello? How about > allowing growing partitions without using LVM first? > Sure, btrfs will solve all the problems, really - but while it > matures, it will introduce lot's of others that you only get to know > about once you want to use it... > > Don't get me wrong - some things in Linux actually work quite well and > it's quick to get up- and running (once you run a cobbler server) - > but I know its limits and I don't try to push it beyond those. > I use Solaris or FreeBSD when they fit the bill (which is also not > always the case). But I don't think a system that does all and > everything these three do individually would actually be better or a > joy to use... > > "Less is more" Hey, I for one am glad for the competition ZFS' entrance to the market has provided. btrfs is a ways off from being a serious competitor, but it *will* get there. The whole "do it all" with the filesystem for me is.. meh. I don't mind using LVM in tandem with it. Whichever way they decide to go will be fine with me. I really like a lot of things about Solaris. I dislike a lot of things about it too.. namely, automated installs are annoying (even with JumpStart), and rpm+yum is far superior from a user standpoint than Sun's package -> patchid + 8000 different patch management tools. pca is the closest thing out there to a simple way to see what should be applied to your system, but just not quite the same. Ray