Christoph Maser wrote: > Am Mittwoch, den 04.11.2009, 23:04 +0100 schrieb Les Mikesell: >> m.roth at 5-cent.us wrote: >>>>> People don't even come to me with >>>>> windows questions anymore because I'm so out of touch with >>>>> it. Only so many brain cells and I'd rather spend them on >>>>> more valuable things(networking, storage, virtualization, >>>>> HA, scalability etc) >>>> Well, there's always java, in spite of the damage Red Hat has done to it >>>> by shipping a broken imitation for years. Maybe hardware has gotten to >>>> the point where the overhead doesn't matter. >>>> >>> No. It matters. And I don't care what version of java, I really dislike >>> it, because *it's* broken; or, rather, it failed at what it was supposed >>> to do: a) solve the software backlog, >> You can't do that with companies shipping broken or non-standard >> implementations. There's not much reason to continue that now. > > I work in a java shop and I really thik you both are wrong. We do some > pretty amazing things with it and openjdk in centos (wich I think you > were relating to) is working quite well for us. This wasn't a complaint about openjdk. But how long has that been included in RHEL/Centos and how many years was something else called java shipped that didn't actually run java programs? And how difficult was it to get a properly packaged working version of java installed if/when you understood why your programs didn't run? I believe java has been set back enormously because of that. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com