On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Les Mikesell wrote: > But virtually guaranteed for any process that isn't transparent. > Someone must enjoy it. Maybe the anticipation is supposed to build up > excitement. Thanks for the jab. It is fun to be punched. If there were not false steps along any path, one would not mind being watched -- but point release stabilization and testing is an iterative process, finding undocoed dependencies,unexpected failure mode in corner cases, and such. It is really not something that the 'doers' particularly want to expose to criticism by the 'talkers'. The distraction might be entertaining to the watchers, and provide more opportunities to criticise and comment, but that is about it. I hereby publicly invite anyone who thinks they want to air all their missteps along the build process forever, for a potential future employer to find via google and so to raise questions about their then abilities [and thus silently be eliminated from consideration from a position], to join the centos-devel mailing list, and run a wholly open parallel build Or, of course, one could could speak by releasing running code that just works, as CentOS (and SL) does -- Russ herrold