You know if this was a new X-Box, or PlayStation, we might be sleeping in a tent next to the front of the store selling them wait for the store to be open. Or sleeping in line at the New Opening Release of Star Wars 12 Return of the O/S... We are all a little bit of a geek and this stuff gets us going. It is new, it is the latest and greatest and the expectation slows down the time line to a crawl, and at times seems like it is going in reverse ( only in our mind )... People understand that there is a great deal of work going on in the back ground, but again most of us don't have a clue about what is going on or what is needed to put a distribution set out. I'll say it again, for Version 5.5, lets put up a simple page that details ( not in depth ) some of the steps required to publish the distribution. Show the mile markers that we need to achieve and check them off as we get to them. Be like Scotty on Star Trek, "Oh Capitan it will take me 6 months to get the warp engines back on line..." Pad the release time, then do it in three, at that point you are freaking great programmers and surpassed all expectations... I've worked in distribution sales, and people like to be stroked, even if you have no new information, information is information and they know that something is going on. I fought this for many years, with the answer that... "Hey, nothing new is going on it is the same answer as yesterday.." But by giving out information even if it is the same old information makes everyone feel like they are in the loop. Here is an example that could have stopped this whole thread... First Message... " 5.4 is baked! centos internal network will start syncing up today. release ~ soon!" Next Message.... "5.4 is still syncing up, this will take some time, but we are moving forward, more information to follow." It doesn't take much to keep people happy. As I was typing this, I saw another post which I felt was out of line and harsh, we need to learn to keep egos in check and understand that nothing gets done if we keep attacking the people who are doing the work. They become distracted, and mistakes are more likely to happen. We don't need to know every detail, the basics will do, and what would help is getting a bit more information rather than the silence or when its done message... Again most of this turmoil is due to ignorance on the part of we who don't know how the process works, and a bit of arrogance on the part of those who do know, what we need is more tolerance. Being a tolerant person to a degree.. Work on keep on a baking and lets cook the heck out of Centos 5.4 I can hardly wait... John Plemons -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20091016/8e3ee24e/attachment-0005.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: john.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 255 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20091016/8e3ee24e/attachment-0005.vcf>