Look, it's not me that wants it. It's . . . it's the servers, OKAY? I think they've got a jones on for 5.4. I walk past the cpu room and hear trashing and growling. I look inside and it's all quiet and normal and all that - but I *know* something is going on in there. They're emanating a serious attitude. I mean I type "ls -las" or "ps ax" at an ssh term and I get a pause there, like its saying "Maybe I'll show you, maybe I won't!" Time for a webcam in the server room. -- tkb