Jorge Fábregas wrote: > I don't think umask is involved here. As far as I know umask isn't > involved > when dealing with default ACL's. Anyhow, I'm pretty sure this is by design > (security-wise). Is there any way to override this behaviour? It's been eons since I played with acls, but I thought you can only view acls via getfacl(or other similar commands) ls -l doesn't do anything to show acls, only unix-style permissions. nate