-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/08/2010 10:21 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: > On Tuesday, December 07, 2010 06:29:44 pm Les Mikesell wrote: >> I think you've missed the point that 'all that stuff' (being traditional unix >> security mechanisms) are not all that insecure. It is only when you get them >> wrong that you need to fall back on selinux as a safety net. And if you can't >> get the simple version right, how can you hope to do it right with something >> wildly more complicated? > > Alright, pray tell how I, a desktop Linux user, can, without VM's and without having to switch users, protect my files from a PDF attack through Adobe Reader? Or a surf-by web infection (NoScript can help; NoScript is also a pain)? Or a flash bug? Or any other exploit an attacker will try to use (and the metasploit framework, among others, makes it trivial to set up these) that doesn't require a root exploit to drop stuff in your .bashrc? > > Real world: AJAX, Flash, and Java applets are required for many corporate web sites. They are also required for online banking and other online SaaS applications, including cloud applications. PDF fill-in forms are required in many cases as well. When one of those are compromised (not if, when), how will standard user-based protections help you in a way that doesn't require highly inconvenient solutions like switching users or running 'dangerous' apps in a VM? > > (yes, I run plenty of servers, and I have been a VMware user for a very long time. But the desktop security use case often gets short shrift, and thus I raise that banner, being that I have been a desktop Linux user for 13+ years) > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Sandbox -X might help solve some of these problems. Available in RHEL6 http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/31146.html?thread=212906 http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1565 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkz/0qsACgkQrlYvE4MpobPougCeKldyS3LSj+OYBikDmeW4HTEe ERkAn30fV8TX1v8o5dMpptKIsNlQc9WK =yU84 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----