i zipped over to centos.org to check out the 5.4 manuals, and what i found was: http://www.centos.org/docs/5/ which stops at 5.2. now, i don't really see this as a problem since i can always get what i need here: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/ i'm just curious as to whether centos is just not bothering to rebrand the manuals since it's just as easy to get that info from red hat. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday ========================================================================