[CentOS] Ganglia

Fri Jun 18 12:14:02 UTC 2010
Whit Blauvelt <whit at transpect.com>

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 08:22:35PM -0500, John R. Dennison wrote:

> 	Is this vitriol really necessary?  I installed ganglia; not a 
> 	single conflict.

Why yes, John, it is. The fine man said outright he didn't believe my honest
account, accusing me of making something up when I was only giving the
facts. He was calling me a liar. He preferred to see my account as a lie so
as not to surrender his faith that Ganglia is a pure and perfect project.
Attitudes like that are dangerous in computing, since they lead to bugs not
being fixed.

> 	If you want shiny and new, why not do it properly and build
> 	rpms?

You installed without a conflict, good. Perhaps you were installing on a
32-bit system rather than a 64-bit? Perhaps your system didn't have some of
the packages already installed for other functionality that mine did? All I
can say is that, for my system, yum saw version conflicts that were
blockers.

As for "properly," there are, as Larry Wall says, many ways to do it. It is
up to each project, as their first task, IMHO, to see to it that
./configure, make, make install works for their package, with proper,
documented flags, on standard Linux distros. Ganglia - a fine and valuable
project on the whole - has a broken "make install." But it can be worked
around. Finding workarounds is often a sysadmins job. Sharing those
workarounds with the community is often how free software stays ahead of the
proprietary stuff. 

On the whole, this list is professional. I like that. But look,
"./configure, make, make install" is _always_ a proper option. Any serious
business will have need of building on occassional program with different
flags than the distro's default, whatever the distro. I often end up
building a few core applications that way, as do many other sysadmins in
serious business settings. If you don't need to, that's fine. Some
businesses can wear off-the-rack cloths. Others need tailored garments.

Regards,
Whit