On Wed, 2011-04-20 at 23:25 +0100, Ian Murray wrote: > > > But to allude to > > him as a respected industry member is greatly stretching things when > > every article that mentions CentOS is disparaging and I can't recall any > > article even ending on a positive note. > > Try google: http://lwn.net/Articles/123934/ > > (For the record, I couldn't find any previous disparaging comments from him... I > stopped at page 6) > > Maybe he is a hack, I have no clue. But he is a hack with a fairly big > linux-focused audience that repeated a few home truths (in my opinion). I am > using it to try to illustrate how the status quo is harming the project. If that > isn't important to you or you don't agree, that's fine. ---- He doesn't seem like a hack to me either. I checked his archive and he seems to be genuine and expressed his concern about the lack of a release back in February so it's a logical extension to be even more concerned that here we are in late April and still nothing. ---- > > > You may agree or disagree with his conclusion but his facts are a > > > reflexion of the CentOS lists. > > > > No. His conclusions are rehashed, sometimes verbatim, from this list > > and the same vocal and tiny minority of users; and that's one of the > > problems I have with his style of one-sided journalism - there are two > > sides to most every story and when you concentrate solely on the > > negative aspects you are doing your readers a grave disservice. > > And those that think everything is peachy are also a tiny minority as far as we > know, because I reckon 95%+ of CentOS users never post on the list. I wish > people would stop stating what the *think* as *fact*. ---- I think many people don't want to publicly state and appear to be ungrateful. I think that the apologist point of view for is pretty much worthless because the intent is to stifle those who are genuinely concerned about the timeliness now. If someone actually wanted to get a better view of the opinions, there are open source polling tools. ---- > > > If CentOS had a communication policy, it could spare itself these > > > types of articles... > > > > No. These types of articles will continue to appear whether there is a > > communications "policy" or not. > > In my opinion, what a load of clap-trap. If that was the case, then every > community project irrespective of governance would get "these" types of articles > and as far as I can tell, that just aint the case! ---- It seems that unless/until the CentOS leaders agree that 3 months on point releases and 6 months on new releases are a problem then they aren't likely to try to solve it. I would agree that this type of article would exist even if there were better communications offered by CentOS governance. Speaking only for myself, I am starting to lose faith. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.