On 05/04/11 01:29, Rudi Ahlers wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Brian Mathis > <brian.mathis+centos at betteradmin.com> wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 6:57 PM, R P Herrold <herrold at owlriver.com> wrote: >>> On Mon, 4 Apr 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: >>> >>>> OK guys. Why don't you fork the CentOS project and build your own??? >>>> >>>> Why don't ANYBODY fork CentOS project? What are you/they waiting for? >>>> Whining is easy, build something on your own. >>> >>> Too strongly stated. I am aware of at least two private >>> rebuild efforts that I have advised over the rough spots in >>> the last 4 months. But those efforts have not sought to >>> replicate CentOS, but rather to 'scratch an itch' with a >>> different goal than CentOS goals of replicating a rebuild of >>> the upstream sources, with needed trademark and branding >>> alterations, seeking binary identical-ness with all that the >>> upstream ships insofar as possible >>> >>> But re-producing CentOS through a fork is just not sensible, >>> because CentOS is not just a pile of packages meeting some >>> standard [it is also hard work to no obvious new good purpose] >>> >>> CentOS is also the mirror network; it is the mailing lists; it >>> is the builders being willing to ignore the temptation to >>> release a 'rough draft' at the expense of breaking the >>> reputation (justified by past releases) to quiet perhaps ten >>> people whining for something, anything, at the expense of >>> potentially harming millions of installations >>> >>> There is a playpen for people who want the latest and greatest >>> with a six month release cycle that use the RPM packaging >>> system and the yum updater. But it not named CentOS >>> >>> -- Russ herrold >> >> >> Russ, >> >> Appreciate your efforts, but let's make one thing clear: >> >> The SINGLE source of ALL the current community issues (or "whining" as >> you put it) is: >> ***LACK OF INFORMATION*** >> ***LACK OF INFORMATION*** >> ***LACK OF INFORMATION*** >> about what is going on. >> >> No one cares if it's going to take another 3 months. >> >> All that is needed to stop the weekly explosions are some regular >> updates about the process. Something like "Working on xyz package but >> ran into this problem. Still have to look at packages abc and def" >> would more than satisfy a vast majority of people complaining here. >> It's mind boggling that the project just doesn't seem to understand >> that. >> > > and prolong development even further.......... > Wow! I didn't know the hard core CentOS supporters was so sensitive to delays that they would complain about developers spending 30 minutes every now and then to write a status update. Their time must be precious ... What happened to the "It comes when it comes" mantra? kind regards, David Sommerseth