I haven't managed to get hold of any DVD-R media, and the machine I particularly want to install on seems not to be able to see double- sided (which I do have). (It's not exactly a new PC.) So I can't get 6.0 onto it in the usual way. But I can wait till 6.1 comes out; it is possible to predict yet whether it will squeeze in under the DVD+R limit? -- Beartooth Staffwright, Not Quite Clueless Power User I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is.