Hi List :) So, I have a folder1, its owner is user1 who has r+w on the folder. User2 is the group owner who only has read access (when I say user2, I mean the group called user2, because when you make a new user the OS can make them their own group). You can see these permissions below: [user2 at host test]$ ls -l drw-r----- 3 user1 user2 28 Nov 2 16:17 folder1 How ever user2 can not 'cd' into this directory, and gets the following out put form 'ls -l folder1' [user2 at host test]$ ls -l folder1/ total 0 ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? sub-folder And the sub-folder name is written in white text flashing on a red background. So, it seems to me that there is some permissions problems here. What permissions are required on the group settings to allow a group user to browser folder1 and its sub folders and read the files in side if it isn't 'r' ? **Note: I have used sudo to replicate permissions through the directy structure: [user2 at host test]$ sudo ls -l folder1/ drw-r----- 2 user1 user2 4096 Jan 24 06:49 sub-folder -- Regards, James. http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ There are 10 kinds of people in the world; Those who understand Vigesimal, and J others...?