John R. Dennison wrote: > On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 10:23:57AM +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > > Diatribe about Serbia removed. > > Is this really the appropriate list for this type of political > pontification? > I was one mail away from being shunned as just another crackpot conspiracy theorist because I always look for ulterior motives. People who never been exposed to systematic lying can not comprehend the dept of lies or deceptions and are quick to dismiss anything that is not in their comfort zone. So my intention was to say that I been through a lot since I was 16-17, lied or deceived constantly and in order to stay sane and safe learned to view any appearance from multiple standpoints. But if I had said it like my last sentence, I would be challenged that it could not be so bad and that I must indeed be paranoid. So I added just a small part of what is sitting on my back and forming my opinion. The actual point I wanted to make is not what "western world" has done to my country, that has been, is now (Libya for instance) and will be, and I am not moping about that. But looking from the other side of the presented truth (by corporate media) I have witnessed deliberate and opened lies from every single news media from *every* country including mine and from politicians and corporations, so perception that (even) Red Hat is not trying to undermine those he sees as enemies/competitors is for me false. Since I can only speak from personal experience, I focused on events in my former and current country. For next few paragraphs forget parties involved and weigh the facts. This is can bee found somewhere on the net. For example, one picture from Bosnian war where you see Serbian soldiers in in front of the barb wire and hungry civilians behind it was presented to entire world as horrible genocide comparable to Nazi's. Truth: Serbian television responded to that picture by broadcasting video footage of that same barb wire at the same time at the same place. Video showed soldiers standing *inside* the small open storage surrounded by barb wire and civilians standing around it leaning on to the wire and talking to the members of the press, both western and local. Civilians were some starved refugees given food and crud shelter. I am sure you can find countless examples just like this one, in each war and on the every side of those wars. I for one have seen numerous accounts in last 20 years only in 600km radius (ex Yugoslavia). But we are oblivious to them and believe news media unless we actually witness some open lie, at witch time we forever stop trusting people explicitly. I hope this clears things a bit and convince you I was focusing on deception and not the any political agenda. Ljubomir