On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, cornel panceac wrote: > 2011/3/23 R P Herrold <herrold at owlriver.com> > >> This comes and goes, and really there is no substitute for actually >> 'doing' rather than >> talking in the cloister > as i see it, the problem is while the users expectation has grown, the work > became harder. ehhh? It has not gotten materially harder to build, if indeed it has gotten harder at all. 4.9 sailed out (thanks, Johnny -- also there was no new ISO set and anaconda to spin); 5.6 has some niggles which are being worked out in QA; and my trial building of the 6 sources, INCLUDING A RE-WRITE of my local autobuilder, took less than a week, for getting the first pass done. I am not happy with the package build scheduler (it is too naiive and not as efficient as I would like it) That said, I then rebuilt those sources 3 more rounds, to make sure they are self-hosting and stabilized, BEFORE turning to address trademark and branding issues. If a person were inclined to see the process and get a flavor for doing rounds of rebuilding to ensure convergance, rebuild gcc, or glicb from an unpacked tarball, with the minimal shell tools building environment for 'bootstrapping' into a new environment > so i believe the real question is: how can we help the > CentOS project? how can we unload the developers so that > they do more high level and/or creative things with less > work? I am substantially certain the archive of this list or the -devel list contains suggesting identifying trade-marks that leaked out of 'redhat-logos', and branding changes not affirmatively required by the 'elide other's trademarks' requirement; large numbers of bugs are never touched and confirmed as reproduceable, or still viable; pushing fixes upstream [we had an email inquiry today, wanting to help extend CentOS to add a new national language that will not occur here, but is a perfectly reasonable translation project to push into Fedora so it eventually flows down here ... ] It is perfectly reasonable to 'toil in the vinyards' of Fedora to cause future CentOS versions to benefit from the effort -- Russ herrold