tomorrows a new day...will try to get into the config files for a quest and see what I can do sdl kept choking....I am sure it is just a configuration error. however, most stuff is for rhel/centos 5.x and the newer packages are much mature and changed from the examples. there are numerous errors in the dmesg like 'composite sync' and stuff relating to a grub bug, but I do not think that is it. When I get it done, will post a vid and add to my forums for others to be able to just walk through it...if I ever get it figured out. I just hate to think about being forced to go with gnome for my server...yuck.