[CentOS] This doesn't make sense

[Dave Stevens]

Quoting Johnny Hughes <mailing-lists at hughesjr.com>:

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> On 09/23/2011 12:29 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
>> On 09/23/2011 06:57 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>>> On 09/23/2011 09:06 AM, Stefan Held wrote:
>>>> Am Donnerstag, den 22.09.2011, 07:28 -0500 schrieb Johnny Hughes:
>>>>
>>>>> No matter what we try to do ... some kind of rolling updates for people
>>>>> who do not want to wait ... or whatever the next thing is ... well you
>>>>> do not seem to be happy.
>>>>
>>>> Your "Customers" are not unhappy because they don't like what you do.
>>>> Your "Customers" are unhappy because they don't know what you do.
>>>>
>>>> The Release and QA Process seems recently to have become a mirracle.
>>>> There is nothing discussed where your Problems are in getting things
>>>> done.
>>>>
>>>> So if nobody knows where you are stuck. (Who are the persons anyway
>>>> hidden in the secret labs?!) Nobody can step up and help out.
>>>>
>>>> Where is this discussion maintained anyway? The Currents process is
>>>> untransparent. And for a "C"OMMUNITY "E"nterperise "O"perating "S"ystem
>>>> this fact is not acceptable.
>>>>
>>>> We know that the big boys at RH changed the whole system, but the
>>>> community accepted that you need time for 6.0 to adept to these changes.
>>>>
>>>> Since then we all thought the issues would have been solved. So what
>>>> now? What exactly is holding of the release of 6.1 and where can we as a
>>>> community step in and help?
>>>>
>>>>> If you aren't happy, well then we would recommend "something else" that
>>>>> does make you happy.
>>>>
>>>> Or give us the possibility to help becoming happy again. But doing it
>>>> like Dumbledore in secret regions of the Centos-Hogwards Terrertory is
>>>> an bad option as it seems.
>>>>
>>>>> Happy is important ... don't go through life unhappy because of an OS.
>>>>
>>>> You seem very unhappy at the moment ;)
>>>>
>>>>> We just want you to be happy Les.
>>>>
>>>> see my above text.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Are we going to start this again ... we are doing the best we can and we
>>> are building things as we go along to take care of issue when we  
>>> hit a snag.
>>>
>>> There is a whole channel of RPMs that we are not allowed to look at from
>>> upstream now.  They do not release them on any ISOs and we can't pull
>>> things directly off RHN (the only way to get the optional channel) and
>>> use it.  This is just one of many issues we are having right now.
>>>
>>> If you can do it better, then do it.
>>>
>>> If you can not do it better, great, neither can we ... if we could have
>>> been done by now, we would have been by now.
>>>
>>> You can, as always, pay Red Hat for RHEL if you have servers where
>>> CentOS does not meet your update requirements.
>>
>> What you are suggesting here is that people should expect centos systems to
>> be insecure and go the RHEL if they want secure systems.
>> Have you pondered the moral implications of your statement? Does that mean
>> that the centos project is perfectly fine with knowingly distributing a
>> system that insecure and a danger not only to its users but to  
>> others as well?
>>
>
> Absolutely ... BINGO ... NOW YOU GET IT.
>
> If you want "point releases" on the day they are released by Red Hat,
> then you need RHEL ... CUT AND DRY.
>
> We will release things as fast as we can.  If it is not fast enough for
> you personally, then yes, you need something else.

or someone else

>
>
>> If as you also seem to suggest the project is so severly understaffed have
>> the people in charge considered shutting down the project? This might be
>> the more responsible option compared to having a lot of unsecured systems
>> out there for long periods of time.

or accepting money to pay devs?

>>
>> Another issue are the priorities of the project. So apparently you are busy
>> working on 6.0/cr and 6.x which is fine. But there is a major but in the
>> current apache packages with a known and released fix upstream. Why can

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