I was looking for the old Vispan stuff, and it seems to have disappeared from the web. Now I realize it was old, but it did provide some details that I liked on my old servers. I've got mailscanner-mrtg running, but that only provides a view of what mailscanner sees. Does anyone know of a good replacement for vispan that might give complete stats on what the mail server is doing instead of just what MailScanner is doing? thanks steve campbell