On Wed, May 2, 2012 16:17, Karanbir Singh wrote: those of us not blessed with either the depth of experience or >> the > > sure, if you are new to Linux on the whole and need a point and click > basics interface to a bunch of things webmin might be a suiteable > option Sure, if you work for some multi-billion dollar enterprise then the cost of one or more employees perpetually mastering the ever-changing minutiae of dozens of *nix services, most with documentation that is charitably described as scant, can be borne. The rest of the world needs a reasonable answer at a reasonable price in a reasonable time. Something that Webmin and similar products provide. My personal experience with point and click interfaces to *nix utilities (which goes back to 1995) is that they often prove far better at getting something working than losing yourself in the byzantine cli and configuration file options that are the alternative. > the most important vuln in webmin is how its designed, perl > interfaces running as root with exclusive rights to anything > on the machine, easily fiddled with on the machine itself. > Perhaps 90% of all hacked centos machines running webmin, that > I've looked at, were exploited locally Myself, I never permit local shell accounts on systems that run publicly available services. Once one requires local shell access to a system be granted to ordinary users then I treat that host as compromised, install and run nothing on it beyond what is required to support shell access, and firewall it as if it resides on an alien network. Webmin is not the problem in this case. Want of prudence is. I admit that my personal practice in this regard possibly colours my view of how the 'security' boogieman is often used to denigrate a product that I find extremely useful. > Also, your email client looks to be broken, its not setting headers > needed for mailing lists threading. My email client is Squirrel Mail. I do not consider it to be broken software. I receive the mailing list in digest format. Perhaps the headers you seek are not provided in that format by the mailing list manager itself. However, maintaining the subject header usually proves sufficient elsewhere. -- *** E-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB at Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3