RHCE is usually the "baseline", RHCSA is a bit junior cert. 2013/6/5 Justin Edmands <shockwavecs at gmail.com> > > > > On Jun 5, 2013, at 5:32 AM, Micky <mickylmartin at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org> > wrote: > >> On 06/02/2013 11:39 AM, Micky wrote: > >>> Unless you really wanna spend money on it, I would say that > >>> certification is just a piece of paper. Ah discard that, in this case, > >>> it is not even a piece of paper since you don't get one after passing! > >>> > >>> Have been there, seen the guys who knew more than CEs or SAs. > >>> > >>> Just get the books, read them, study the docs and put it to use! > >> > >> This is just not true. Most companies who actually hire workers and pay > >> salaries want certified people. > > > > Yes it is not unless you are Judith Shine or Charley Babbage. Have you > > managed to find a dream job like that? > > People in the HR don't know the shit about most certifications. They > > treat all cattle the same! > > > >> One can certainly get a job without a certification and it does not mean > >> that the person who has a certification is the best thing since sliced > >> bread ... however, it certainly proves that the person with the > >> certification has a certain set of minimal qualifications. > > > > That is also not true. I see the Red Hat certification dogma following > > M$ track lately. > > If you claim that you certainly haven't been to the *real* market > > outside! If you have been to one, recently, you would know that no > > matter what certification you get, you'll mostly end up to the same > > line in the chain of food. The probability of exceptions are one a > > hundred thousand! > > > >> In other words, it does not raise the ceiling (or high water mark or > >> maximum) for knowledge level, but it certainly raises the floor (or low > >> water mark or minimum) knowledge that you know the person has. > > > > That can also be attained by just reading books, docs and most of all, > > its application. > > > >> It also shows that they are at least a little concerned about what they > >> look like professionally. > > > > Yea yea yea, I don't want to talk about my certifications. > > > >> In my experience, people who complain about how little certifications > >> mean don't have any and are too lazy to care about getting any ... your > >> mileage may vary. > > > > In my opinion, the people pushing you towards a certification have > > either something to gain from it, affiliated with the grand scheme of > > corporate profits somehow, are rich or they have simply have been > > sadly out-of-the-loop from real world! > > > > Although ignorance is a bliss but certifications don't really matter, > > knowledge does! > > > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> CentOS mailing list > >> CentOS at centos.org > >> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > _______________________________________________ > > CentOS mailing list > > CentOS at centos.org > > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > A lot easier to justify paying you more money than others if you have a > certification to show your level of expertise. It's also a way to have the > younger guys to stack up against the older guys. So maybe that's the metric > that they are looking for. I am young but was hired based on experience. I > think the certs gave some credibility based on the time that I received the > cert. A "senior" Linux admin is at least 5 years in some jobs. So having my > cert dated back far enough is some form of proof that I have been into it > that long. > > That being said if you need to take a class to barely get the RHCSA.... > Then you probably shouldn't be a systems administrator...yet. > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >