On 3/5/2013 1:57 PM, John R. Dennison wrote: > Java is doing everything in it's power to rival the insecurity ... sad, really, as one of Java's original goals was to be a completely sandboxable environment. I wonder... is Java really getting worse, or is it that the hackers are getting more sophisticated and finding ever more fiendish ways of violating systems ? I also wonder how long before the HTML5/Javascript world starts showing up equally gnarly fundamental security exposures. -- john r pierce 37N 122W somewhere on the middle of the left coast