On Sun, 19 May 2013 10:54:17 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: > On Sun, 19 May 2013 15:46:20 +0000 (UTC) > Beartooth wrote: > >> OK, I got lots of output from ifconfig, and tons from /var/log/ >> messages; so what should I look for?? > > (a) Post the output from ifconfig > > (b) type this: > > tail -f /var/log/messages > > (c) Now tell networkmanager to connect. > > (d) Post everything that shows up from that point until the connection > attempt fails. Remember the problem machine can't even send *me* things over my LAN; what's more, I don't seem to see an app for writing them to a CD and sneaker-mailing them to myself. Hi-yi-yippee-ki-yay! I did ps ax|grep networkmanager ; got a process number; killed it; and wonder of wonders, it put itself online. I launched firefox, opened a tab to weather, and got today's data ; so it really is online! Many many thanks!! -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User Remember I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is.