On 04/30/2014 10:36 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Lamar Owen <lowen at pari.edu> wrote: >> ...If you install the Desktop >> package, there's a bit of an assumption that you want a Desktop, no? >> > No. Just no. Not if you think that means there is just one Desktop > and it is physically attached to the box you are installing. I don't; I'm familiar with LTSP and similar. In these cases a different group could be defined that includes all of the packages of the Desktop group but without NM, and called 'LTSP Desktop Server' or 'Virtual Desktop Server' or similar. But in X there is no real difference between a local X server and a remote one, other than the display number and the plumbing. Perhaps to make it even clearer the existing Desktop group could be renamed 'Console Desktop' but that's a bit much, since most Desktop users are console users; that's not to say that there is not a 'Citrix Terminal Services'-like use case out there. And you can yum remove NetworkManager without major impact, as long as you make sure to re-enable the other network service. > That hasn't been a reasonable assumption for anything running X, ever, and even less so with freenx/x2go. Interestingly, X turns the whole client/server thing on its head..... and always has. This is more of a 'VDI' type thing, though, and is not the common Desktop use case. Apollo had this problem licked for the local network years ago; the X way is a bit of a regression from the very non-standard way DomainOS did things. Vestiges of the DomainOS way still show up in the Andrew Filesystem, though. > You want the applications on a stable, stably networked server and the displays out where people work. So, pardon the logic, you want the clients running on reliable servers and the servers running on the remote clients. (Yes, I know what I just said..... it's supposed to be humorous......). But think about cloud desktops for a moment, and think about dynamic cloud desktop service mobility that follows you (network-wise, for lowest latency) to give you the best user experience. (No, VDI is not doing this seamlessly yet).