On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Lamar Owen <lowen at pari.edu> wrote: > > >> I'll take [SRV record examples] as a 'no' for the general case. > How is an RFC quote and an example of a running standardized application > using the feature a 'no?' Please read > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRV_record and see just how standardized > it is. So can I expect it to work with ssh? SMTP? SNMP? Or any application I'm likely to use? Who's going to open the corresponding firewall holes? >> How is [rolling a cloud instance dev VM] easier than saying 'ssh >> nodename yum -y install postgresql-server'/ Something I already know >> how to do and how to make happen any number of ties - and something >> that works on real hardware and in spite of the differences in VM >> cloud tools. > > How do you guarantee a clean sandbox? Either clonezilla or a minimal OS install to start. Or if it is a VM, copy/revert an image. But except for development build systems we mostly work with hardware. > In the cloud case, every VM > rolled is as clean as the template that generated it, and gives you a > known starting point. And I use PostgreSQL as the example since I > maintained those RPMs for five years, and I understand the need for a > clean sandbox, having learned the hard way what can happen if you don't > take the care to make your sandbox clean (this was pre-mach, and > definitely pre-mock, and buildroots had to be carefully regulated since > they weren't cleanly sandboxed by mock and kin). > >> At the expense of being black magic that won't work outside of that >> environment. I don't like magic. I don't like things that lock you >> in to only one vendor/tool/OS. > OpenStack will do most of what I'm talking about already. On real hardware? >> Actually, I'd like to see a single device do all of that gunk plus >> have an HDMI out to act as a media player so a typical home would only >> need one extra 'thing' besides the computer/tablet/phone. But it >> doesn't matter - you still have to configure it somehow. Do you want >> things to guess at your firewall rules? >> > That last point is exactly what UPNP was supposed to solve. Great... Why have a firewall when holes open by magic at an unsecure application's request? > Such a device as you want exists; see the GuruPlug Display and > descendants. They are definitely tinkering boxen, and they do have > their issues (I have a GuruPlug Server Plus with the eSATA port and the > infamous overheating problems) but they are available. I'd really like at least a 4-port switch and room for at least a pair of 2.5" drives in what could still be a relatively tiny case. That is, combine everything in a typical router, nas, and media player. Current CPUs should be able to handle all those tasks at once. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com