On Sat, 2014-08-09 at 09:45 -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > Systemd, firewalld... Linux from what formerly was "UNIX-like" becomes "MS > Windows-like". This is what you will hear from everybody fleeing Linux (I > for one started gradually moving servers to FreeBSD a while back). Snap ! (meaning in colloquial English, I agree exactly). I read someone's supplied link to Red Hat's firewalld documentation. As I looked at the confusing collection of zones I instantly remembered all the problems I had with Windoze especially trying to understand the logic of Windoze's own firewall/Internet zones. I hated and despised that crap and used a superior third-party firewall instead. I am a heavily reliant user of IP Tables. I would not like to lose it. Yet someone at Red Hat decided in C7 it would be replaced by a M$ lookalike product. OK, one may remove it and install IPT. Exactly which users demand IPT's replacement by firewalld (Microsoft, Inc. ?) Firewalld is so much like the confusing and time-wasting M$ crap, fit only for brain dead morons, instead of those with functioning brains. The Windoze reminiscence was a very unpleasant feeling. I fled the M$ crap and found a delightful refuge in Centos. The difference from Windows was inspiring and liberating. It was truly wonderful, and still is on C5 and C6. I wished I had abandoned Windoze 20 years earlier. If Red Hat want to sell the company to Micro$oft or gradually replace excellence with M$-style crap, I sadly would go elsewhere, probably to OpenBSD. What is the point in gaining good Linux skills, if the Red Hat family is going to emulate M$ crap? Sorry, I absolutely loath Windoze. -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. Centos, Exim, Apache, Libre Office. Linux is the future. Micro$oft is the past.