On 08/22/2014 07:42 PM, Digimer wrote: > On 22/08/14 07:07 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Digimer <lists at alteeve.ca> wrote: >>> To continue your analogy, should car companies have stopped changing >>> after the 20s? I mean, the cars then got you were you needed to go, right? >> The point is to abstract an interface so you can make changes behind >> it without breaking the things already built around it. You can >> always add things without breaking anything that already worked for >> your community of users. If you didn't care about that yourself, >> you'd be recompiling a gentoo weekly instead of being here. > To echo John, this is a major release. It's where, when needed, things > can change and break backwards compatibility. If a change like this > happened as a y-stream release, sure, I'll grab my pitch fork along with > you. > > It's not realistic to expect backwards compatibility to last forever. > The sysv init stuff had a good long run, but it was time to change. Now, > you're welcome to disagree with me (and the archives are littered > already with this argument), but in the end, it changed. A major version > was the right place to do it, and now it is done. > > So this brings me back to my original point... Unless you plan to wage a > war against things like Network Manager, systemd or what have you in the > faint home of reverting in the next major release, you don't have a lot > of viable long term options. > > Learn the new ways or fade from relevance. > > I say this without passing judgment on the merits of the new or old > ways, simply as a fact of life. Even if you did hold out hope for, say, > RHEL 8 to return to the old ways, you will have a hard time avoiding > EL7. It will almost certainly be adopted wide-scale and that will > provide inertia. > NetworkManager is the window's world way of doing things for people that don't really understand what is going on. I see no use for it immediately disable it. But it pains me to have to take the time. -- Stephen Clark *NetWolves Managed Services, LLC.* Director of Technology Phone: 813-579-3200 Fax: 813-882-0209 Email: steve.clark at netwolves.com http://www.netwolves.com