I have found at times the community to CentOS-leadership relations to be quite poor. I have witnessed the summary judgements against people like Dag Wieers driving them away. Useful members driven out. I have seen release dates slip for months at a time with no word from the people in control of CentOS. The project has come into jeopardy many times. CentOS 5.4 was a fiasco. I have always suspected that after each release the exact build environment / script to create the RPMs is not made available to bring about this end - whereby the "secret sauce" of how to build the SRPMs on ftp.redhat.com are still kept hidden by the CentOS leaders. This is not a community project. Its a free rebuild with all the mock magic hidden by those who just got a huge payout. I am also wondering if the serially rude and dismissive behavior by some of the folks in control of CentOS will continue now that they cash massive checks from Redhat. I guess when you sell out one needs to be more polite. Now we need to possibly find a new rebuild. I think that release dates will still be something that the leaders here do whatever and whenever they want. I think that there will be significant differences in RHEL and CentOS now. I think the secret build sauce will remain hidden from view and the people receiving big pay for Redhat will serve their new masters well. I've been a user since the WBEL/cAos days. I worry about this state of affairs. Deeply. -- View this message in context: http://centos.1050465.n5.nabble.com/Re-CentOS-CentOS-announce-CentOS-Project-joins-forces-with-Red-Hat-tp5723460p5723788.html Sent from the CentOS mailing list archive at Nabble.com.