On 01/19/2014 02:00 AM, Scott Robbins wrote: > On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 05:10:34PM +1300, Rob Kampen wrote: >> On 01/18/2014 11:29 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: >>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 4:13 PM, <m.roth at 5-cent.us> wrote: >>>> We don't have enough arguments here.... <g> > >>>> I see that thunderbird's deprecated for RHEL 7, and they recommend >>>> evolution. I've certainly had some annoyances in the last couple-three >>>> years with t-bird. > >>> Gmail's web interface is very low-maintenance... >> Have to take exception to this comment - the interface changes at >> the whim of google and I have to relearn - recently the changes have >> come with increasing frequency and major impact on how they operate >> - a quick search shows many folk are unhappy with the direction they >> are headed. > Not to mention the privacy concerns--I remember when I first got a smart > phone, used my main gmail account for it, and suddenly saw that I had > contacts for anyone that I'd ever sent mail to in my contacts list. I now have an Android phone after an iPhone. I have always struggled with the Apple lock-in infrastructure - works real well if you're using Apple's OS on the PC. However, I found it worked well for my emails and contact list and calendar - I found tools that worked with my CentOS server and allowed me to mirror my contact list and appointments from the iPhone to/from my CentOS workstation and Thunderbird - truly useful and almost totally seamless. Along comes my big new Android phone - not too many problems converting - imported all my contacts just fine, but somewhere along the way, not sure when or how, maybe a result of the continual application updates, my contact list no longer feels like mine. When I add new contacts or try to edit old ones - I only have google contacts available - the "people" app and the funambol app have just faded into the background. I now have no idea how I can access "all" my contacts and export them should I want to shift. Also, my integration with Thunderbird is gone - the app I used is no longer supported for later versions of Thunderbird. Question for the list: What level of integration do you have for your contact list? I need something that makes my workstation and laptop (both CentOS 6.5) using Thunderbird and IMAP mail servers (mostly CentOS postfix/dovecot + some gmail) and android phone share all contact info ...... Let's not get started on calendars. > > Then, the way they will suddenly tie it into something else they're > pushing, such as google +, and suddenly, you have to choose to opt out of > something else. > > I also dislike it for mailing lists (hence I use my ISP account here), > because they decided that it was a feature to avoid cluttering your mailbox > to not show you a message you'd sent to the list. You can find it in your > sent directory, but it wont' appear in your inbox. (Unless that's > changed--I remember checking again about a year ago, and it was still that > way.) > > Gmail is useful for many things--their spam filtering is excellent, for > example, but I wouldn't want it to be my only email. Even for the things I > use it for, I use it as a pop server, download my mail, filter with > mailfilter and view with mutt. > > >