Lamar Owen wrote:
> On 07/08/2014 11:58 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
>> ... How much is this going to cost a typical company _just_ to keep
>> their existing programs working the same way over the next decade
>> (which is a relatively short time in terms of business-process changes)?
>
> Les, this is the wrong question to ask. The question I ask is 'What
> will be my return on investment be, in potentially lower costs, to run
> my programs in a different way?' If there is no ROI, or a really long
No, it's *not* the wrong question. Are you going to figure ROI INCLUDING
all the a) reworking, b) retraining (oh, that's right, almost *no* one
pays for training, other than on-the-jop or take your own lunch brown
bags) in the costs? And how 'bout how long it's going to recoup those
up-front costs (or where you planning on hiring all new people anyway?),
and will there be *another* change coming along in five years...?
> ROI, well, I still have C6 to run until 2020 while I invest the time in
> determining if a new way is better or not. Fact is that all of the
> major Linux distributions are going this way; do you really think all of
> them would change if this change were stupid?
May I point to upstart, and that it lasted a few years, before folks
decided it was a Bad Idea? How many years of systemd do we have to compare
and contrast?
>
>> Even if the changes themselves are minor, you have to cover the cost
>> of paying some number of people for that 'get used to the syntax'
>> step. Personally I think Red Hat did everyone a disservice by
>> splitting the development side off to fedora and divorcing it from the
>> enterprise users that like the consistency.
YES!!!!!!!!! Let fedora duke it out with ubuntu; give us a *work* o/s.
>
> Consistency is not the only goal. Efficiency should trump consistency,
Wrong. I *STRONGLY* disagree. Efficiency should be a goal off consistency,
and consistency should not be highly inefficient. However, as I've
mentioned before, when I go home after a hard day administering a
hundred-plus-many servers and workstations to my own workstation at home,
I do *NOT* want to debug my o/s. (And I'm putting off trying to upgrade my
router's DD-WRT, in the hope that I'll find something less buggy with USB
printer support).
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