[CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Les Mikesell]

On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
<dennisml at conversis.de> wrote:
> Also the switch from messy bash scripts to a declarative
> configuration makes things easier once you get used to the syntax.

Sorry, but I'd recommend that anyone who thinks shell syntax is
'messy' just stay away from unix-like systems instead of destroying
the best parts of them.   There is a huge advantage of consistent
behavior whether some command is executed interactively on the command
line or started automatically by some other means.

> Then there is the fact that services are actually monitored and can be
> restarted automatically if they fail/crash and they run in a sane
> environment where stdout is redirected into the journal so that all
> output is caught which can be useful for debugging.

What part of i/o redirection does the shell not handle well for you?

> Its certainly a change one needs to get used to but as mentioned above I
> don't think its a bad change and you don't have to jump to it
> immediately if you don't want to.

'Immediately' has different meanings to different people.  I'd rather
see such things discussed in terms of cost of re-implementations.  How
much is this going to cost a typical company _just_ to keep their
existing programs working the same way over the next decade (which is
a relatively short time in terms of business-process changes)?   Even
if the changes themselves are minor, you have to cover the cost of
paying some number of people for that 'get used to the syntax' step.
Personally I think Red Hat did everyone a disservice by splitting the
development side off to fedora and divorcing it from the enterprise
users that like the consistency.

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   Les Mikesell
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