[CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?
Lamar Owen
lowen at pari.edu
Wed Jul 9 20:07:25 UTC 2014
On 07/09/2014 03:20 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> No, that is exactly my point. Back then the griping by affected active
> users happened in more or less real time compared to the changes being
> done. Now fedora goes off on its own merry way for years before its
> breakage comes back to haunt the people that wanted stability.
Real-time? Since when? The development direction was already pretty
much done by the time the public betas were released and the griping
began. Even by the time of the private betas the development direction
on several of the releases was already pretty much set in stone. I only
had a bit of input for PostgreSQL because I was maintaining the upstream
RPM package at the time; but I had no pre-beta access to whatever was in
the beehive queue at the time.
With fedora, on the other hand, you already know that what is going in
the next version of EL is going to be previewed in Fedora and you are
absolutely free to follow the Fedora lists and get involved in the
actual process, rather than being fed an already mostly-baked beta every
so often. If you don't follow the Fedora lists and get involved, well,
you get what you pay for, I guess. I don't currently follow the Fedora
lists, incidentally, but I do track the features that are being
implemented. We already had Upstart, and the move from Upstart to
systemd is not that big (at least in my opinion), so it's not something
that got me up in arms. Plain text non-XML configs that can be on a
non-executable filesystem and lots of really nice options in the unit
configs really change the way you think of system startup. It is a
change; I've not decided whether I think is a good change or not; most
of the big Linux distributions have decided that it is a good change.
In a quick google, I found what I thought to be a pretty clearly written
article (from 2012) on systemd's strong points from the point of view of
a server admin:
http://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/SystemdRight?showcomments
If it can really deliver this, particularly the feature of
sysadmin-modified units all being in one place, yeah, looks like a good
thing. And there will be plenty of eyes on it. Most of the articles
looking at systemd's weak points (and there are several) aren't written
in nearly as level a fashion as the above. Lots of vitriol to go
around, unfortunately.
> ...
> Don't think people running a bunch of RH5 servers really cared about X
> or desktops at all...
You missed my Red Baron comment, didn't you? I ran Red Hat Linux 4.1 as
a desktop, and once Mandrake 5.3 was out I went completely Linux as my
primary work and personal desktop. I figured if I was going to run it
as a server I needed to 'dogfood' things and really rely on it for daily
work. And my employer agreed.
The days StarOffice became OpenOffice.org and then when OO.o 1.0 wound
its way into RHL were very good days for this desktop Linux user.
...
> Yes, but on the other hand, people still pay large sums of money for
> other operating systems. And there are some reasons for that.
>
Many of which are not technical.
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