On 25/03/14 14:06, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > On 03/25/2014 12:45 PM, Ned Slider wrote: >> On 25/03/14 04:05, Les Mikesell wrote: >>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Johnny Hughes <johnny at centos.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Has anybody gotten this working? >>>>>> >>>>>> By the way, this is CentOS 6.5. >>>>> If you are starting from scratch building a mail server you might want >>>>> to look at SME server or ClearOS where webmail works out of the box. >>>>> >>>> >>>> It would be my personal preference that we help people run things on >>>> CentOS rather than always recommending another distribution. >>> >>> SME isn't exactly an 'other' distribution, and ClearOS wouldn't be if >>> CentOS6 had had a timely release. They are the same code underneath, >>> just already configured to work as installed and with a few additions. >>> >> >> Whilst I understand why Johnny would prefer to be able to offer a >> CentOS-based solution rather than signposting users towards other >> products, I must admit I kind of agree with Les here. >> >> My initial thought to Johnny's reply was why would CentOS want to >> reinvent this particular wheel, looking to solve a problem that has >> already been solved, just not by CentOS. >> >> But if that's what a SIG wants to do, in the CentOS space, fine. Just be >> aware that a number of mature products already exist so you have a lot >> of catch up work to do just to get off the starting line. >> >> What demand for such a product do you think exists from CentOS users? My >> guess is if people want or need that product they have long since been >> using the competition's offerings. So how long do you think it will take >> to get a CentOS offering to the point it can win back users from the >> competition? These are the types of questions I'd be thinking about if I >> were considering investing my time in such a SIG. >> > > On top of what you said, I would add that majority of users are not real > hard core admins, just people with an itch to scratch. So in that case > out-of-the-box working system for regular Joe is what they need, a car > that you can start and drive, not an assembly kit that need weeks of > learning and putting together before driving it. > > SME like ClearOS if what they need, and it is good way to start learning > about CentOS, since all base packages are just that. I also started with > ClarckConnect (ClearOS) in 2005, and I started to learn how things work > once I had my web and mail server running on them. > > Yes, I agree. I see two types of user - those who just want it to work out of the box with a Windows-like point and click interface to configure things without really having any clue what is happening under the bonnet, and those who want to assemble a system from the component parts and have a fuller understanding of how their system works. For the latter, I wrote the Postfix series of guides on the Wiki http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos#head-0facb50d5796bee0bd394636c32ffa9a997a6ab5 which were designed to be modular and extensible, allowing folks to start off with a basic Postfix mail server and add such functionality as spam/virus filtering or authentication etc to their setup as and when required, learning the underlying technologies as they go. Personally I would rather learn how to do something myself rather than have it pre-configured in such a way as someone else deems appropriate. That way when it breaks I have a clue how to fix it. So for me, a SIG needs to be little more than a set of tried and tested documentation I can follow together with a few extra packages in /CentOS/SIG/MailServerExtras that are missing from Core (which already exist in Repoforge and EPEL anyway). I don't want/need a pre-configued installable ISO image or whatever that has already made lots of predetermined choices for me.