On 5/30/2014 8:27 AM, Emmett Culley wrote: > So I removed it all again and reinstalled from RPMforge. Now it all works as expected. I never should have switch from RPMforge to EPEL for these programs. actually, IMHO, you should have switched. EPEL is much better maintained than RPMforge these days. the catch is, to do that switch cleanly, you woudl have had to completely uninstall the rpmforge version, disable rpmforge, THEN install the epel version -- john r pierce 37N 122W somewhere on the middle of the left coast