On Tue, November 11, 2014 11:10 am, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 8:18 AM, James B. Byrne <byrnejb at harte-lyne.ca> > wrote: >> On Mon, November 10, 2014 13:56, Les Mikesell wrote: >>> Well, yeah... If I wanted to keep secrets, I wouldn't be sending >>> them >> over the internet at all. You don't really trust your software or >> other >> third parties that much, do you? >> >> Read my signature. > > Hmmm, gmail conveniently collapses previously-seen content into an > ellipse so that didn't jump out out me before. > >> The point is that it is not what I trust. It is what my correspondents >> do >> with their mail irrespective of trust. And that is totally out of my >> control. >> Nonetheless, we must take whatever steps we can to protect whatever >> residual >> confidentiality there is. > > I don't get your point about gmail then. If you don't expect internet > email to be secure in any case then you won't send secrets over it and > it won't matter who archives, forwards, or searches it. This is all > pretty obvious for public mail lists anyway and there's not that much > point in trying to mix them with even business-level security. I > prefer to have a completely separate account for list use although > some companies might be so restrictive as to not let you use even web > access to it from work machines. Indeed, e-mail is not a secure channel of communication (as everyone of us repeats for decades). That is because there are _bad_guys_ doing bad thing (sniffing packets)... Now we come to the point that some company collects information. In general doing virtually the same thing. And we should feel no disrespect to that company, right? I feel it is unfair to the first category of guys (the bad ones sniffing network traffic). Do you not have any problem with that? Because I do ;-( But alas, it is the majority that rules (sort of "democracy" as opposed to "constitutional republic"). Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++