On Wed, October 29, 2014 6:32 pm, Cliff Pratt wrote: > On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Valeri Galtsev > <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> > wrote: > >> >> On Wed, October 29, 2014 4:02 pm, Beartooth wrote: >> > On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 11:44:42 -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> > >> >> ... Basically, if one thinks he knows >> >> more than system vendor, he is just schizophrenic. And we, normal >> >> people, do give schizophrenics a privilege to be on their own. As we, >> >> normal people know that if the distro maintainers had to update >> kernel, >> >> they had a reason (otherwise, something else breaks). So, we are left >> >> running _this_ system, even though it's stressful, still not as >> >> stressful as running "bleeding edge" fedora, right? ;-) >> > >> > What? Stressful?? Fedora??? Naaahhh ... >> >> I'm sorry, apart from my laptop, I also run servers. And services are >> supposed to be up 24/7. And a bunch of people are always logged in... >> You >> do the math. >> >> This is a corner that system administrators have allowed themselves to >> be > painted into. It's not a law of nature. Civilized organisations will > always > allow a maintenance Window. In the Windows world it is not an issue. > Servers can be rebooted with much more freedom than in the Linux/Unix > world. > Yes, indeed. Those are blasted Unix sysadmins (Hm, I flatter myself by thinking of being one too) that push themselves into being too responsible to their users... No, I don't think Unix admins will start into the direction of Windows world, sorry. I don't even like Windows world mentioned as an example for Unix world! (Don't take me too literally, everybody welcomes good things "other worlds" have...) Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++