On 10/8/2014 11:25 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > Only if the design was bad in the first place. And if the design was > really bad, there wouldn't be any users to infuriate by breaking the > interfaces they use. But the unix design that linux and linux > distributions copied was pretty good, including the way init started > things. why should mysqld need to wait for ntpd to start, and ntpd wait for sshd to start, and sshd wait for cups? multiply this by the 30 or so services running on a typical server. sysVinit is a crude hack that has no concept of service dependencies. anyone remember when inittab was *it*, and sysVinit came out, and EVERYONE COMPLAINED ABOUT HOW COMPLICATED IT WAS? god, you whiners are a joke. go back to slackware 0.9.6 circa 1994 (20 years ago, I believe that was your threshold) and see if you even remember how to configure anything. -- john r pierce 37N 122W somewhere on the middle of the left coast