By the bye, about firmware updates: I like Dell's the best of all. HP, run it from some kind of DOS, and hope. Dell, you can do from a running CentOS system (I've done it a few times), and unlike everyone else's firmware updates, it says, "collecting information", then *tells* you that a) this update is, in fact, for this hardware (and so won't brick it), and b) whether it's newer than what's installed. mark