Mark Tinberg wrote: > >> On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 09:46:36AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >>> But that is exactly what I said: if the hardware was released and sold >>> with this piece of crap BIOS, then you shouldn't be buying that junk in >>> the first place. Or at least stop buying the crap made by _this_ >>> manufacturer in a future. I'm still not convinced. Any better reasons? > >> In my experience, all code has bugs. Instead of trying to find some >> vendor that has magically released hardware with bug-free firmware, I >> choose vendors that make it relatively painless to apply the firmware >> updates under Linux. > A lack of updates can also mean that there is a lack of effort or competence > is tracking down and fixing bugs, or not a large enough customer base with > the same bugs to generate sufficient, actionable, bug reports, it is not > necessarily or even primarily a signal of quality. I might also point out that there are really *not* a lot of BIOS manufacturers. AMI, and - is Phoenix still doing them? - and Dell claims it's got its own, but who knows what they've rebranded. Once you consider that, then you need to consider the board maker. Some seem to do a lot better job of qa/qc than others. For example, some folks here like Supermicro, where I *REALLY* don't - many of our Penguins, which are rebranded SuperMicro, have a *lot* of issues with the m/b. mark mark