On Tue, September 30, 2014 4:08 pm, John R. Dennison wrote: > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 03:43:47PM -0400, m.roth at 5-cent.us wrote: >> >> First mistake: what makes you think we're your "team"? This is an open >> mailing list that we've all subscribed to, and we're all over the world, >> and in various positions and skillsets. We are not your "team". > > I agree with Mark here (imaginey that); and to add to that I consider > this it poor taste, if not outright insulting, to just assume we are on > the same team. We're not. I for one will not be part of a "team" with > people that expect others to do their job for them. > >> Right - how *did* he get that title (or did he just make it up)? > > ^ that. > > I am not trying to come down on the OP here, this is part of a much > larger problem. The problem is one of entitlement and laziness. You > can couch this in whatever politically correct (ask me about my thoughts > on that some time) phrasing you want, but it all boils down to this. > > People have forgotten how to do things on their own and expect everyone > else to just drop what they're doing so they can work on the problems of > others. Well, life's not like that. People damned well need to start > doing at least a modicum of research on their own. > > This problem is becoming more and more prevalent as time goes on; and > quite frankly the level of competence in IT and surrounding fields has > been going steadily down the toilet for quite some time because of it. > > And people that defend, to whatever degree, this type of behavior are > part of the overall problem. Three is a huge difference between helping > others and coddling them; start helping and stop coddling. If _I_ can > manage to do my job without having to depend on others I'm pretty sure > it's a fair bet others can as well. > I'm happy to sign under that, only I feel myself plagiarist here... But indeed I hate these days we start solving any problem by creating [google or any other search engine] search line instead of reading documentation first. I hate the GUI interfaces (latest KDE, GNOME,... and lates Windoze as well ;-) switched from logically organized tree of categories, subcategories,... items. ... Worst of all I hate myself following it all and behaving as above ;-( Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++