On 30/09/14 05:08 PM, John R. Dennison wrote: > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 03:43:47PM -0400, m.roth at 5-cent.us wrote: >> >> First mistake: what makes you think we're your "team"? This is an open >> mailing list that we've all subscribed to, and we're all over the world, >> and in various positions and skillsets. We are not your "team". > > I agree with Mark here (imaginey that); and to add to that I consider > this it poor taste, if not outright insulting, to just assume we are on > the same team. We're not. I for one will not be part of a "team" with > people that expect others to do their job for them. I frequently see "team" as a greeting when, obviously, the poster knows we're not a team. It always struck me as a cultural quirk rather than some assumption that the questioner expects us to behave like we're part of the same actual team. >> Right - how *did* he get that title (or did he just make it up)? > > ^ that. > > I am not trying to come down on the OP here, this is part of a much > larger problem. The problem is one of entitlement and laziness. You > can couch this in whatever politically correct (ask me about my thoughts > on that some time) phrasing you want, but it all boils down to this. > > People have forgotten how to do things on their own and expect everyone > else to just drop what they're doing so they can work on the problems of > others. Well, life's not like that. People damned well need to start > doing at least a modicum of research on their own. > > This problem is becoming more and more prevalent as time goes on; and > quite frankly the level of competence in IT and surrounding fields has > been going steadily down the toilet for quite some time because of it. > > And people that defend, to whatever degree, this type of behavior are > part of the overall problem. Three is a huge difference between helping > others and coddling them; start helping and stop coddling. If _I_ can > manage to do my job without having to depend on others I'm pretty sure > it's a fair bet others can as well. It sounds to me like this is along the same lines as today's elders complaining about how kids these days have no respect. In my little tech community, I see a majority of younger people eager to put in the work needed to learn new technologies. They push at least as hard as I did when I was their age, too. Are there some slackers and freeloaders? Sure. Are they the majority though? No. I think it would be really good if everyone took a step back, took a deep breath, and relaxed. This thread has generated a surprisingly (and to me baffling) amount of negativity. -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education?