On 01/11/2015 03:09 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > On Sun, January 11, 2015 2:05 pm, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: >> On 01/11/2015 03:02 PM, Always Learning wrote: >>> On Sun, 2015-01-11 at 20:04 +0100, Sven Kieske wrote to Valeri Galtsev >>> .... >>> >>>> I can't take this serious as it seems you didn't research any of the >>>> design goals of systemd and any of the shortcomings of old init >>>> systems. >>> Design goals ? Compatibility with and/or minimum disruption to existing >>> systems ? >>> >>> It was arrogant change with absolutely no regard for the existing >>> Centos/RHEL users. That *is* a strange "design goal" (or 'objective' in >>> English). Some may consider that "goal" an inadvertent omission. >>> >>> Obviously designed by non-Centos/RHEL users for their personal amusement >>> and pleasure and not as an acceptable enhancement that could be >>> implemented, perhaps in phases, within minimum disruption to existing >>> systems reliant on stable Centos/RHEL. Yes, I know it takes brains to >>> properly consider all the implications of major changes. On this >>> occasion it seems the 'brains' were holidaying away from the influence >>> of due diligence and old fashioned commonsense. >>> >>> Why should the 'brains' care ? They don't run systems that require >>> stability and reliability - that is why they lurk in Fedora where >>> disruption is a scheduled "design goal". >>> >>> Remember that English phrase? Fools step-in where wise men fear to >>> tread. >>> >>> Hopefully the next "improvement" will consider the adverse affect on the >>> non-Fedora users and on their well-tuned systems. >>> >>> >> There's always the option of just NOT upgrading...and using what you >> currently have...(I'm just now going from CentOS 5 to CentOS 6!....) I'm >> just saying. >> > Indeed. Or another system altogether (sihg). I'm just extending your > thought half a step farther ;-) > > Valeri > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Valeri Galtsev > Sr System Administrator > Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics > Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics > University of Chicago > Phone: 773-702-4247 > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos And that's the beauty of it...the "extending" of thoughts to achieve a common goal..... EGO II