On Sun, January 11, 2015 5:16 pm, Keith Keller wrote: > On 2015-01-11, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote: >> >> Indeed. Or another system altogether (sihg). I'm just extending your >> thought half a step farther ;-) > > Or going even farther, if you like CentOS but not systemd, do the work > to get CentOS working without it. Unhappy Debian users are trying to do > this with Devuan. It seems extremely unlikely that complaining about > downstream is going to change anything. > I know... But: systemd is in a mainstream kernel. All Linux distros imminently have Linux kernel... There are different levels to which I care about two different groups of boxes I maintain. One of them stays with Linux and is upgraded to the latest whenever appropriate no matter whether there is systemd or anything else I might not like. Another group... I'm talking about their issues on different mail lists for quite some time already. So, I'm happy. And wish the same to everybody else ;-) Valeri PS I guess I just mention it. I'm quite happy about CentOS (or RedHat if I look back). One day I realized how happy I am that I chose RedHat way back, - that was when all Debian (and its clones like Ubuntu,...) admins were fighting with the consequences of this: http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 . If I had Debian machine I would not only regenerate all key pairs, certs, etc. I would question sanity of that box then, and will not be certain what confidential stuff could have been stolen from it... I realized then that that level big flop never happened to RedHat. I couldn't even point to something that would constitute big flop RedHat of then. One only criticizes something while one cares about it ;-) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++