On 01/11/2015 09:38 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > On Sun, January 11, 2015 8:29 pm, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: >> On 01/11/2015 09:24 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >>> On Sun, January 11, 2015 7:29 pm, Keith Keller wrote: >>>> On 2015-01-12, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote: >>>>> PS I guess I just mention it. I'm quite happy about CentOS (or RedHat >>>>> if >>>>> I >>>>> look back). One day I realized how happy I am that I chose RedHat way >>>>> back, - that was when all Debian (and its clones like Ubuntu,...) >>>>> admins >>>>> were fighting with the consequences of this: >>>>> http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 . If I had Debian machine >>>>> I >>>>> would not only regenerate all key pairs, certs, etc. I would question >>>>> sanity of that box then, and will not be certain what confidential >>>>> stuff >>>>> could have been stolen from it... I realized then that that level big >>>>> flop >>>>> never happened to RedHat. I couldn't even point to something that >>>>> would >>>>> constitute big flop RedHat of then. One only criticizes something >>>>> while >>>>> one cares about it ;-) >>>> Heartbleed was pretty scary, no? I'd consider that at least as bad as >>>> the predictable number generator issue. >>>> >>> Well, heratbleed and shellshock were pretty much global: all systems >>> (not >>> only Linuxes, not to say particular Linux distributions - my FreeBSD >>> boxes >>> were affected too) using openssl or bash were affected... Same bad, yet >>> these were not flops of particular distribution, so whichever system you >>> decided to stick with , you had these. Not certain about you, but this >>> kind of makes difference for me. When I say I'm happy about [me choosing >>> way back] RedHat heartbleed, no heartbleed, no difference. >>> >>> Valeri >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Valeri Galtsev >>> Sr System Administrator >>> Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics >>> Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics >>> University of Chicago >>> Phone: 773-702-4247 >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CentOS mailing list >>> CentOS at centos.org >>> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >> I guess everyone will have an opinion of systemd whether it be good or >> bad. The only resolution is to either use a distro that has systemd on >> it, use a distro that DOESN'T have systemd on it...or build your OWN >> distro and don't include systemd! I guess when it all boils down to it, >> there's STILL choice.....even when it doesn't seem like there is! >> > I wouldn't quite agree with you about someone building one's own Linux > distro without systemd. You see, systemd _IS_ in the mainstrem Linux > kernel which you imminently have to use. Having distro with kernel to that > level not mainstream, so systemd related stuff is stripped off it is quite > a task. Less that writing one's own kernel and building system based on > it, still... > > Valeri > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Valeri Galtsev > Sr System Administrator > Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics > Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics > University of Chicago > Phone: 773-702-4247 > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos I am sorry...you're right. I was basing that statement on the devs who forked Debian to make Devuan. I assumed that they are building a version of the linux kernel with no systemd in it. (Maybe I'm wrong?....will have to check out a few articles and find out what's really going on!) My apologies...once again.... EGO II