[CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 01/11/2015 09:38 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
> On Sun, January 11, 2015 8:29 pm, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
>> On 01/11/2015 09:24 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
>>> On Sun, January 11, 2015 7:29 pm, Keith Keller wrote:
>>>> On 2015-01-12, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>>>>> PS I guess I just mention it. I'm quite happy about CentOS (or RedHat
>>>>> if
>>>>> I
>>>>> look back). One day I realized how happy I am that I chose RedHat way
>>>>> back, - that was when all Debian (and its clones like Ubuntu,...)
>>>>> admins
>>>>> were fighting with the consequences of this:
>>>>> http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 . If I had Debian machine
>>>>> I
>>>>> would not only regenerate all key pairs, certs, etc. I would question
>>>>> sanity of that box then, and will not be certain what confidential
>>>>> stuff
>>>>> could have been stolen from it... I realized then that that level big
>>>>> flop
>>>>> never happened to RedHat. I couldn't even point to something that
>>>>> would
>>>>> constitute big flop RedHat of then. One only criticizes something
>>>>> while
>>>>> one cares about it ;-)
>>>> Heartbleed was pretty scary, no?  I'd consider that at least as bad as
>>>> the predictable number generator issue.
>>>>
>>> Well, heratbleed and shellshock were pretty much global: all systems
>>> (not
>>> only Linuxes, not to say particular Linux distributions - my FreeBSD
>>> boxes
>>> were affected too) using openssl or bash were affected... Same bad, yet
>>> these were not flops of particular distribution, so whichever system you
>>> decided to stick with , you had these. Not certain about you, but this
>>> kind of makes difference for me. When I say I'm happy about [me choosing
>>> way back] RedHat heartbleed, no heartbleed, no difference.
>>>
>>> Valeri
>>>
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>> I guess everyone will have an opinion of systemd whether it be good or
>> bad. The only resolution is to either use a distro that has systemd on
>> it, use a distro that DOESN'T have systemd on it...or build your OWN
>> distro and don't include systemd! I guess when it all boils down to it,
>> there's STILL choice.....even when it doesn't seem like there is!
>>
> I wouldn't quite agree with you about someone building one's own Linux
> distro without systemd. You see, systemd _IS_ in the mainstrem Linux
> kernel which you imminently have to use. Having distro with kernel to that
> level not mainstream, so systemd related stuff is stripped off it is quite
> a task. Less that writing one's own kernel and building system based on
> it, still...
>
> Valeri
>
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I am sorry...you're right. I was basing that statement on the devs who 
forked Debian to make Devuan. I assumed that they are building a version 
of the linux kernel with no systemd in it. (Maybe I'm wrong?....will 
have to check out a few articles and find out what's really going on!) 
My apologies...once again....


EGO II