On 06/12/2015 04:05 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > On Fri, June 12, 2015 4:16 pm, jd1008 wrote: >> >> On 06/12/2015 03:05 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >>> On Fri, June 12, 2015 3:54 pm, jd1008 wrote: >>>> On 06/12/2015 02:32 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >>>>> On Fri, June 12, 2015 3:20 pm, John R Pierce wrote: >>>>>> On 6/12/2015 1:03 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >>>>>>> But the bottom line is the same: in both cases you are executing >>>>>>> somebody's else code on your computer. >>>>>> your computer is *ALWAYS* executing someone elses code, unless you >>>>>> wrote >>>>>> every line of code in it, including the BIOS and the firmware of all >>>>>> the >>>>>> attached devices. >>>>>> >>>>> Indeed. What was never mentioned in this thread is a chain of trust. >>>>> The >>>>> level of trust to what you get from your system vendor, software >>>>> vendors >>>>> (be they open source or proprietary) may be quite different from the >>>>> level >>>>> of trust to what you get when clicking on some web link inside some >>>>> search >>>>> page, or on some website (even if you visit the website often). >>>>> >>>>> So, it is all about whom and what do you trust, and to what level can >>>>> you >>>>> afford to trust, and whether you are able to track the software code >>>>> to >>>>> the code origin. >>>>> >>>>> This all was what I implied when I said that short phrase which may >>>>> look >>>>> ridiculously if taken literally - exactly as you pointed out -, but >>>>> may >>>>> make sense if you take into account the chains of trust involved. >>>>> >>>>> Valeri >>>>> >>>> The more you know, the less you trust :) :) >>>> Read the article: >>>> http://www.kaspersky.com >>> Please, don't advertize Kaspersky here, especially when we are talking >>> about trust. He is KGB guy (is, not was; the only way they retire from >>> KGB, CIA, MI-5, and others is dead, feet first dead). >>> >>> Valeri >> I am not advertising, so please do not accuse anyone of this! >> Just citing evidence that infiltration of spyware and malware >> is far more sophisticated than anyone knew. > Sorry if it sounded like that: didn't mean it to sound like accusation... > I'm not native English speaker, you know ;-) > > Valeri > Forgiven and forgotten :)