On Thu, October 22, 2015 3:45 pm, Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 10/22/2015 03:40 PM, Juan Bernhard wrote: >> >> El 22/10/2015 a las 03:00 p.m., Valeri Galtsev escribió: >>> >>> On Thu, October 22, 2015 12:49 pm, Johnny Hughes wrote: >>>> On 10/22/2015 11:50 AM, Juan Bernhard wrote: >>>>> >>>>> El 22/10/2015 a las 01:40 p.m., Nux! escribió: >>>>>> Kai, >>>>>> >>>>>> It is a reality, but when you look at the RHEL target audience, it's >>>>>> not exactly hip devs deploying Docker in the cloud. >>>>>> Big corps, banks and the like have a very slow development cycle and >>>>>> long term support is absolutely crucial, software needs to run for >>>>>> years on end without glitches, without interruptions, in a very >>>>>> predictable manner etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> For the aforementioned devs I think the best answer are the software >>>>>> collections, that or just use a different distribution. It is what >>>>>> it >>>>>> is. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Lucian >>>>> >>>>> Lucian, they also include the newer versions. The case of banks, who >>>>> need specially PHP version 5.3, are a slim 0.01% of php users, the >>>>> rest >>>>> of the mortals, like me, who needs a simple webmail like horde >>>>> running, >>>>> have problems because the rest of the world is not developing any >>>>> more >>>>> with php 5.3 compatibility in mind >>>>> >>>>> Saludos, Juan >>>>> >>>> >>>> Correct .. but that is not who RHEL, CentOS, Ubuntu (LTS), or SLES >>>> type >>>> distros are for. That is what Fedora, OpenSUSE, Ubuntu, Debian, Linux >>>> Mint and any other number of "Bleeding Edge" distros are for. If you >>>> want latest and greatest .. well, then use latest and greatest. If >>>> you >>>> want enterprise, then use CentOS. >>>> >>> >>> And incidentally these 0.01% (even if the number is true) of Enterprise >>> users pay virtually 100% of RH income (the last is what the brilliant >>> job >>> of individuals at RH is paid for from). Let's not forget they as well >>> as >>> us have families to support. >>> >>> Valeri >> >> Im not saying that they must remove this package, but they also should >> include the newer version. I use freebsd (and its not a toy distro like >> fedora), and you have several ports, php, php54, php55 and php56 to >> choose whatever you need. >> Please, dont think that I dont appreciate the RH job on this, some one >> should support a long term version, some applications needs this, but >> very few. >> Thats all. I needed to say this, this is the only thing that bother me >> of centos, and its a little thing. The solution is to add another repo, >> but is a petty that they dont include the newer version on the default >> one. Centos its a great distro, dont take this a complain... its just a >> suggestion. >> >> Saludos, Juan > > Like I said before .. software collections: > > http://bit.ly/1GXl0L0 > I would add to software collections you mention and different Linux distributions (differing in update/upgrade lifecycle scheme) also other *nix-es, FreeBSD was one someone mentioned already (I too "half-moved" servers to it), but there are many other choices of systems. Still, disregarding the part some of us dislike personally (plus often reboots necessary to install some vital updates - which all Linuxes are prone to beginning somewhere around 2.6 kernel) I would say I really admire the great job RH folks are doing - and definitely tremendous job CentOS maintainers do! Just my 0.02 Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++