On 01/22/2016 02:38 PM, John R Pierce wrote: > for that matter, what about a VM running on a service like Amazon AWS > (or pick your virtual server environment) ? AWS provides a remote > console, doesn't it? AWS doesn't offer UEFI Secure Boot, so I'm not sure how that's relevant. It seems like you're reaching for criticisms of mokutil because you don't like it, rather than because there is a demonstrable problem with it.